Dealing with ageist morons on a BBS

[Newtown]

Just a few hours ago I was lurking on a telnet BBS, and I saw this message:
Subj: Re: Dovenet
| To : Gandolf
| From: Newtown #53
| Date: Tue Dec 23 2008 11:06 am EST
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Re: Re: Dovenet
By: Gandolf to Newtown on Mon Dec 22 2008 09:52 pm

> >(THIS IS MY POST) Just because there is some limit to free speech doesn't mean you hate 1st.
> > Not
> > all speech is protected by the 1st anyways. (Although I am very
> > anti-censorship). "I wanna "place immature saying here" isn't protected,
> > although serious disscussion of sexual matters is.
> >
> > And to Lightman: I'm a teen my self and it's quite hard to offend me.
>
>(THIS IS THE AGEIST'S POST) I love teenagers. They think they know everything.
> Here's a few lessons from Bill Gates.
>
> RULE 1 - Life is not fair; get used to it.
>
> RULE 2 - The world won't care about your self-esteem. The world will expect
> you to accomplish something BEFORE you feel good about yourself.
>
> RULE 3 - You will NOT make 40 thousand dollars a year right out of high
> school. You won't be a vice president with a car phone, until you earn both.
>
> RULE 4 - If you think your teacher is tough, wait till you get a boss. He
> doesn't have tenure.
>
> RULE 5 - Flipping burgers is not beneath your dignity. Your grandparents had
> a different word for burger flipping; they called it opportunity.
>
> RULE 6 - If you mess up, it's not your parents' fault; so don't whine about
> your mistakes, learn from them.
>
> RULE 7 - Before you were born, your parents weren't as boring as they are
> now. They got that way from paying your bills, cleaning your clothes and
> listening to you talk about how cool you are. So before you save the rain
> forest from the parasites of your parents' generation, try "delousing" the
> closet in your own room.
>
> RULE 8 - Your school may have done away with winners and losers, but life
> has not. In some schools they have abolished failing grades; they'll give
> you as many times as you want to get the right answer. This doesn't bear the
> slightest resemblance to ANYTHING in real life.
>
> RULE 9 - Life is not divided into semesters. You don't get summers off and
> very few employers are interested in helping you find yourself. Do that on
> your own time.
> RULE 10 - Television is NOT real life. In real life people actually have to
> leave the coffee shop and go to jobs.
>
> RULE 11 - Be nice to nerds. Chances are you could end up working for one.
>
> In essence.... your opinion doesn't count.
> Why?
> Because the vast majority of people who write on these boards have been to
> the school of hard knocks. (AKA real life.) You, on the other hand, still
> need to clean your room that your parents are paying the mortgage on.
>

My reply:
I love most adults because they are ageist crooks who dismiss a younger
person's point or opinion because of their age and "they don't know what
they're talking about". How well.

1.I know life isn't fair. I know you can't always get your way. That's why Bush
is president.

2&3. And you thought I didn't know that?

4. At least people can choose what job they want.
Abnd the rest: I'm not your "stereotypical MTV loving teen". I could give less
of a crap about TV, I have a life, and I'm proud when I'm called a geek.
And for crissake, I don't think I'm the best person in the world.

[BattlePenisofGalen]

Damn. There are still BBSs up and running?

[robexib]

I guess the technology isn't dead yet.

[Newtown]

No where near dead. Although most BBS's are now telnet, not that expensive dial-up.

And anyways, please don't derail my thread.

[CivilRights4all]

I don't want a Car phone.

[JamesRottnek]

I have a cell phone. It's better.

With a car phone, I would not, could not, use it in a box. I could not, would not, with a fox. I would not use it with a mouse. I would not use it in a house.I would not use it here or there, I would not use it anywhere. I do not like car phones. I do not like them, James-I-am.

[CivilRights4all]

Cell phones (Or know just 'Phones') are much better. I was pointing out just how old who ever wrote the message was.

[Newtown]

And anyways, please don't derail my thread.

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[SciVille]

I have a cell phone. It's better.

With a car phone, I would not, could not, use it in a box. I could not, would not, with a fox. I would not use it with a mouse. I would not use it in a house.I would not use it here or there, I would not use it anywhere. I do not like car phones. I do not like them, James-I-am.

This is your best post ever.

[Newtown]

I has replies:

| Subj: Ageism
| Attr: Read
| To : Newtown
| From: Gandolf (VERT)
| Date: Tue Dec 23 2008 04:10 pm UTC-7:00
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A quote from your beloved board:

--What really pisses me off? The incorrect stereotype that teenagers don't
know half of what they are talk about. I hear all the time from people in
position that I haven't "Been around long enough", completely dismissing my
intelligence just for sake of age.--

Here's why that statement is incorrect:
Intelligence and wisdom are two different things. I never called you
stupid. I called you inexperienced - because your mommy and daddy were
always there to protect you and bail you out.

You want your opinion to be respected? Pack your $hit, move out of your
mommy's house, and show the rest of us "old-folk" how it's REALLY done.

Until then, cry me a river.

My reply:
Really?
"In essence.... your opinion doesn't count."
"I love teenagers. They think they know everything."
You're not calling me stupid, but you're still dismissing my valid opinion for the sake of age and experience, which is just as stupid.

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| Subj: Re: Ageism
| To : Gandolf
| From: Newtown #53
| Date: Wed Dec 24 2008 04:27 pm EST
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Re: Re: Ageism
By: Gandolf to Newtown on Wed Dec 24 2008 10:56 am

> > "In essence.... your opinion doesn't count."
> > "I love teenagers. They think they know everything."
> > You're not calling me stupid, but you're still dismissing my valid opinion
> > for
> > the sake of age and experience, which is just as stupid.
>
> Hey everybody! I hurt his feelings!!!
> Too bad he still isn't listening.
>
> (You think his mommy and daddy are going to sue me for his emotional
> distress???)
>
Wow. Just wow. This is the most laughable display of stupidity i've ever seen
on a board. Ever.

[CivilRights4all]

The number of people that are there doesn't mean that the experience in less valuable.

[broken kaos]

have you considered giving them a troll?

[Juna Usonano]

Ignore them. I was called a pedo for defending the sexual rights of youth, and it eventually devolved into appeals to emotion, ad hominems, and me leaving.

[Agnapostate]

Lie and claim that you're emancipated and live apart from your parents.

Ad hominem arguments are invalid, and thus, don't need to be addressed honestly.

Unless you've already contradicted this.

EDIT: By the way, my specialty is linking back to message boards where I told other people to lie so that I can cover up my own lies...Makes some kind of sense, or so I'm told.

[Juna Usonano]

1: They think I have a teenage daughter.
2: I just said they were ad hominems and left it at that.
3: I left the forum.

Here are the ageist threads:
http://www.prolifeamerica.com/fuseta...&enterthread=y
http://www.prolifeamerica.com/fuseta...&enterthread=y
http://www.prolifeamerica.com/fuseta...&enterthread=y

Check out the last one. "Children should be protected"? Total ageist bullcrap.

Also:

One poster said:
You say you have a teenage daughter....think back to when she were 11 or 12. Imagine their were a close male relative that through a certain amount of time, charmed her into his bed. You wouldn't be upset that he violated your daughter because she said yes even though she was conned?

I replied:
"Charmed her into his bed" implies "conned" or "violated"?

No, you just described just about every relationship out there. Male meets female, then one charms the other, then sex. If one did NOT charm the other, that would be bad; that would be rape. What you describe is not conning or violation, but the seduction that is a part of every typical relationship. I think you meant he lies to or treatens her to get her into his bed? If that is the case, yes, I would be angry. I would be angry if the same thing happened when she was an adult with a same-age partner. I would be angry if she wasn't my daughter. I would be angry if she was not my daughter AND the same thing happened with a same-age partner. Age does not enter into the equation. I care for my daughter. That is why, unlike you, I recognize her has a unique person with her own wants and desires that may not mesh with my own. She sure doesn't share my tastes in music!

I, unlike you, see my daughter as a seperate person, not my property. I am not so high-and-mighty that I think I know what she wants better than she does; I do not see myself as in a position to decide what she can and cannot consent to.

I still say what we need is more education earlier to inform EVERYONE of the risks. Some adults have sex without knowing the risks, but we let them.

[Newtown]

Lie and claim that you're emancipated and live apart from your parents.

Ad hominem arguments are invalid, and thus, don't need to be addressed honestly.

Unless you've already contradicted this.

Lying will make me seem even more immature to them, it would work as a blessing for my opponents.

The ageists, they be roving:

MY FIRST POST:
> On 12/24/2008 9:30 AM, Newtown wrote:
> > Really?
> > "In essence.... your opinion doesn't count."
> > "I love teenagers. They think they know everything."
> > You're not calling me stupid, but you're still dismissing my valid opinion
> > the sake of age and experience, which is just as stupid.
>
> Age, not so much.. Experience, hell yeah it counts for a lot.
>
> --
>

Experience does count, but it can't be used as a sole yardstick of someone's
knowledge. I've lived in this world for 12 years, so I haven't lived through a
lot experience-wise, but that doesn't mean I don't know alot.


IDIOT POSTERS:
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| Subj: A 12 YEAR OLD!!!!
| To : Gandolf
| From: W8ZZU (VERT/SCANNER)
| Date: Thu Dec 25 2008 11:08 pm UTC+1:05
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Re: A 12 YEAR OLD!!!!
By: Gandolf to Newtown on Thu Dec 25 2008 07:49 pm

> ---I've lived in this world for 12 years, so I haven't lived through a
> lot experience-wise, but that doesn't mean I don't know alot.---
>
> 12 years old.
> Wow.
> 12 years AGO.... I carried both an M-16 and an M9 and defended my country
> with my sweat and blood.
> In the 12 years you've been ALIVE, what accomplishments have you made?
>


/cookie & medal of honor for you.



MY NEW POST
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| Subj: So what?
| To : All
| From: Newtown #53
| Date: Fri Dec 26 2008 01:25 pm EST
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>12 years old.
> Wow.
So what if I'm 12 years old?
What, you've never seen a 12 year old before, and with this
fact, make it your life's work to treat me like crap? What kind of sick idiot
are you?

I'm not dumb because i'm 12. You're just roving on stereotypes so you can make
yourself feel better.

Wow. Just wow.

[Agnapostate]

"Defended his country" in '96? What campaign was even going on then?

[Newtown]

I really can't stop doing this as they can't get their common idiocy out of their thick skulls.

TL;DR AHEAD

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| Subj: .......
| To : All
| From: Newtown #53
| Date: Fri Dec 26 2008 11:10 pm EST
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You, like every other 12 year old, still haven't answered my question.
I'll even include the original statement that lead to the question:

12 years AGO.... I carried both an M-16 and an M9 and defended my country
with my sweat and blood.
In the 12 years you've been ALIVE, what accomplishments have you made?

Quit your whining, quit changing the subject, and answer the question.

Nice stereotyping there.
I'm not whining, i'm debating. Haven't you gotten that through your
close-minded thick skull yet? Sorry to insult you like that, but anything else
would be to light for you to get my message.

To answer your question:
Yes, I've done good things, although of course nothing more important than your
service to your country, which I appluad you for. (I didn't say that to make
you be nice to me.)
I've donated to charity. I've published a (an?) underground newspaper at my
school. I've done my best to get my voice heard.

On to the next thing:

He wont because he has done absolutely nothing. People his age think they are
hot $hit and think they know everything. Thank you so much for serving our
country. If not for a medical condition I would have also carried a M-16 and
M9. But I have a question for you. 12 years ago would be 1996. I was still in
high school. Where may I ask did you serve? I am pretty sure that that was
before the horrible, indiscriminate bombings of serbia by the corrupt Clinton
Administration.

I don't think I know absolutley everything, you stereotyping close-minded
ageist dunce. I'm not a "i'm so SPECIAL! LOOK AT ME!" kind of person. Do you
have children? If so, would you always call them the things you're calling me?

You sir, do not deserve an apology.

Next:
made by another user in response to the ageists:
Is it really fair to compare YOUR life experiences with those of a 12 year
old?

That is a blanket statement that is totally uncalled for. Granted, some 12 year
old kids may fit your description, but NOT the majority.

Thank you for having common sense and using your head and not relying on
ages-old stereotypes.

There, I'm done.

[Agnapostate]

Indeed, where did he "serve"?

[slider2641]

People his age think they are hot $hit and think they know everything.

People of all ages think they are hot shit and think they know everything. The difference is that young people think they know themselves, while adults think they know others. Which is worse?