Toy entrepenuers, 10 and 13, denied entry to toy show

[Brendan Perez]

From Times-News online (http://www.magicvalley.com/weeklyfeatures/familylife/index.asp?storyID=4364)

"Celia and Olivia Reingold, owners of a Washington D.C.-based toy company, registered for the world's biggest toy show this year, convinced they would make strong connections across the industry. With more than 80 products, their company, they reasoned, was ready to play ball with the toy business's biggest players.

The toy fair's organizers didn't see it that way.

It turns out Celia, 13, and Olivia, 10, are too young to attend. Citing a longstanding policy, organizers of American International Toy Fair said it does not allow anyone under 18 to enter the conference, which ended recently in New York. "

[Euripus]

Once they get selling those toys... oh, what a snub they can return the industry...

But in all seriousness...

I see this as making an important point; adults with "limited capacites" can hire representatives for themselves, to ensure they are legally protected, and this sort of thing...

And even then, they sound like smart girls...

What is a contract if they understand it?

I believe the preventing young people from entering into contracts is arguably more detrimental than not.

Banking, Contracts, Driving... these are things that are essential for autonomous living and conducting of affairs.

"Protecting" them, or "the public" (banking! mind you -- that arguement is clearly to "protect" them...) respectively, or mutually, while always a consideration, presently overreaches legal, as well as sensible limits.

All the restrictions; none of the benfits.

Today's age discrminatory Law's results.

I wish them luck with their' business... they may still need it.

[This message has been edited by Euripus (edited March 01, 2004).]

[Fabuluke]

Who would know more about toys than kids themselves? I think that's wrong, really wrong. Contract law, among other things, does need to be reformed. In fact I think this entire system is fucked and needs to be gutted. But that is not the subject of this thread...

*growls*

JessieNeko

[Yasha]

someone should get them to join nyra.

[KPalicz]

Already working on it http://www.ecg.net/nyra2/df/ubbhtml/smile.gif They've been invited to the meeting on Saturday. Who knows if they'll come though, but they've been e-mailed and faxed.

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[XavierAKadafi]

sweeet...

Really fuggin' rich members... who support us and believe in what we believe in....

$.$... we can buy millions of stickers to force onto people.. http://www.ecg.net/nyra2/df/ubbhtml/biggrin.gif

BEHOLD! THE POWER OF STICKERS!

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[Yasha]

i love the power of stickers.

...cheese too.

oh, oh, and sushi.

just not all three together.

[KPalicz]

I don't think they are all that rich. I think the article said they've sold like $20,000 worth of stuff. A helluva lot for a 12 year old, but doesn't really make them rich.

[Yasha]

still like cheese though.

[XavierAKadafi]

kinkos charges $2 for a sheet of 16 stickers..


thats a lot of stickers.. http://www.ecg.net/nyra2/df/ubbhtml/smile.gif

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[Yasha]

kinkos is actually damn expensive. other printers charge less for good quality.

[colonel]

What is there to say? Typical. Ridiculous.

Colonel John Doe

[XavierAKadafi]

okay, exactly...

Kinkos is the only one I know.. don't blame me, blame my shithole town for not having others...



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[Subversive]

They shoudl try selling their toys on ebay.

[Yasha]

have you checked out the stickers on oblivion?
http://www.oblivion.net/store

[Fabuluke]

Man, I hope those girls get somewhere with that because I believe that kids, above anyone else, would understand toys. Also, the ageism is blatantly unfair. By the way Ebay's a good idea...

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[Euripus]

Nawh, you have to be able to enter into Legally Binding contract to sell/buy on Ebay.

Opps, not 18, no dice.

=P

[Yasha]

would be great to have some extensive resources on contract law and options for those who happen to be under 18.

[XavierAKadafi]

those prices are insane..

I can get em cheaper at kinkos..

squeeze about 32 on a sheet, and then get about 20 sheets. thats only $40... that I'll have.. never christmas

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[XavierAKadafi]

kinko's is cheaper...

for 500 thats 126 for them..

from kinkos.. if you do it right..

640 can be $40.

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[Fabuluke]

Huh? My friend's 16, and he gets stuff off Ebay all the time. ^_^ I know scads of teens who have gotten shit from Ebay.

Anyhow...they need to reform this crap pronto. It's unfair.


JessieNeko ^_^

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[Euripus]

...because EBay dosen't know which skads are teens...

[Fabuluke]

Yeah, it's fairly easy to get around that stuff...so I bet those girls could try selling their stuff on Ebay, either themselves or with their parents' help if they're supportive.

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[This message has been edited by jessieneko (edited April 01, 2004).]

[Euripus]

With a first-class citizen's help, you can do anything...

[Facekhan]

People under 18 can in fact enter into contracts. They just reserve the right to void them at any time. So effectively the contract is only binding on the other party. It makes most businesses pretty wary having contracts with kids. This is a situation where a law was designed to protect kids from signing away their lives and property (indentured servitude/bonded apprenticeship etc) but instead has made it impossible for those under 18 to function in modern society where a contract is required for extremely mundane activities like getting utility and phone service and having something repaired.