Our cultural fascination with romanticism must end

[MiNi]

Yeah, that's right, it has to fucking end. Our popular culture is so fascinated with a meaningless biochemical function designed to ensure our genes are passed on and it completely vexes me as to how this infatuation continues.

Take for example, that one Beatles song, "All you need is love". No, that's not all you fucking need. Your silly idea of love isn't going to put food on the table, it isn't going to make you smart or rich and it isn't going to satisfy you once the purpose of procreation has been fulfilled.

You don't have a "boyfriend" or "girlfriend". You're not in love; there is no fucking "love"! You have somebody who instinct has chosen as a possible candidate to pass things on. This is why many people choose not to do it on the first date; natural selection must weed out the stupid and weak; couples must prove their genes.

Over half of marriages end in divorces. Do the math. People weren't made to live together. "Love" is a novelty that doesn't last longer than the procreative purpose it serves.

Don't agree? Typical of an individual who buys into the mainstream fallacy of romantic love. Genius is never understood in its own time. I'm so fucking smart and ahead of my time it's almost scary.

Don't negrep me. Prove me wrong. I fucking WANT one of you to prove me wrong.

And I'm not referring to love as in caring for someone. Like as if you cared for a family member. That does indeed exist and should be the only definition. But romanticism is an artifical construct that does more damage to society than almost anything.

[BattlePenisofGalen]

Don't agree? Typical of an individual who buys into the mainstream fallacy of romantic love. Genius is never understood in its own time. I'm so fucking smart and ahead of my time it's almost scary.Try not to get too arrogant, you tend to get shot down easily by somebody more intelligent than you. Fuck, it's happened to me.

But yes, love is simply a biochemical function designed to pass on your genes. But DAYUM, when you're in love it's like a drug. And let me tell you, the times that somebody really feels connected to another human being, it is one of the most fucking amazing feelings in the world.

But honestly, I see no problem with love or falling in love. As long as you aren't a fucking idiot about it, I see no problem with it. Let people do as they want to as long as they don't hurt anyone in the process. Besides that, love is a damn good when you need an escape.

[Ralph]

What you're posting is, in my interpretation, an opinion, and it can't be proved wrong. But I do disagree with it.

There is a woman who I love, for many years now, and I am completely comfortable with the idea that I love her due, at least in part, to a subconscious desire to pass on my genes, though that is physically impossible for us, and I have no desire to do so. Whatever. Our genes suck anyway and if we want a child, if we are so fortunate as to have the tremendous amount of money doing so requires, we will adopt.

Really, everything is bound by and exists because of the laws of physics, by chemistry, evolution; to me, that takes legitimacy away from nothing.

When you read, you only understand the words due to chemical and physical reactions in your brain, but you're still reading.

When you eat, you only enjoy the taste of food due to chemical and physical reactions, and because you're genetically programmed to like food, but you're still eating.

When someone drinks a cup of coffee, they're getting energy and alertness from the caffeine (which evolution developed as a defense mechanism to keep herbivores from eating various plants; Capsaicin and THC likely evolved for the same reason) keeping the adenosine receptors in their brain from doing their job, but goddamn that is some good coffee.

I'm not judging you or anything, nor am I directly accusing you of jealousy, but is it possible there may be a level of resentment you have towards the idea of romantic love? I don't understand why you hate it so much.

[Juna Usonano]

So, basically, we're wrong, and if we say otherwise that's symptomatic of our wrongness?

[Got Liberty?]

Yeah, that's right, it has to fucking end. Our popular culture is so fascinated with a meaningless biochemical function designed to ensure our genes are passed on and it completely vexes me as to how this infatuation continues.
Has somebody had a bad experience recently?


Take for example, that one Beatles song, "All you need is love". No, that's not all you fucking need. Your silly idea of love isn't going to put food on the table, it isn't going to make you smart or rich and it isn't going to satisfy you once the purpose of procreation has been fulfilled.
Not really. The one time I was "in love," (a nauseating phrase, I agree) I took the time to be neater that I would have otherwise. I took care of myself. Now that it's over, I just play video games all day. If I had more games or a bigger TV, that might be better. But as is... not so much.


You don't have a "boyfriend" or "girlfriend". You're not in love; there is no fucking "love"! You have somebody who instinct has chosen as a possible candidate to pass things on. This is why many people choose not to do it on the first date; natural selection must weed out the stupid and weak; couples must prove their genes.
By "people" I assume you mean "women." And that's societal, not genetic.


Over half of marriages end in divorces. Do the math. People weren't made to live together. "Love" is a novelty that doesn't last longer than the procreative purpose it serves.
Wait, since when have people not lived together? Besides, some people getting divorced doesn't mean others can't be genuine. My great-grandparents spent over 60 years together, and died not a year apart. So unless you want to propose that my great-grandmother could procreate in her 80s, forget about that argument.


Don't agree? Typical of an individual who buys into the mainstream fallacy of romantic love. Genius is never understood in its own time. I'm so fucking smart and ahead of my time it's almost scary.
:lol::lol::lol::lol:@u


Don't negrep me. Prove me wrong. I fucking WANT one of you to prove me wrong.
Done.


And I'm not referring to love as in caring for someone. Like as if you cared for a family member. That does indeed exist and should be the only definition. But romanticism is an artifical construct that does more damage to society than almost anything.
Um, what? How does romantic love damage society, as opposed to stabilizing it?

And, putting this at the end because of its relevance to your general argument: How do you explain the people who sacrifice themselves for those they romantically love? Looking at it from a pass-on-the-genes perspective, you'd think nothing like that could ever happen.

[SciVille]

MiNi, amen sister!!! :b: :b: :b:

Yeah, I've been in love twice. Epic fail. It's just a fancy addiction and mental problem. Kills rational thought and makes you very foolish.

Ever heard the phrase "fools rush in where angels fear to tread"? Yeah...

[Ralph]

:shame:

[Juna Usonano]

"fools rush in where angels fear to tread"

Never understood that.

[Anduwaithe]

So, basically, we're wrong, and if we say otherwise that's symptomatic of our wrongness?

Rango's been coaching MiNi on debate skills. :yup:

[Agnapostate]

Isn't "romanticism" supposed to be used in the Shakespearian sense? :p

[MiNi]

Perhaps I was a bit harsh. I personally am jaded from what amounts to mass rejection. I just don't believe in love anymore. Sorry. I'm worn out from pursuing something I will never accomplish or don't even need to.

And for the record, I have not once in my life been in any kind of relationship. Because I just can't do it.

[Agnapostate]

Hire a hooker.

[SciVille]

Perhaps I was a bit harsh. I personally am jaded from what amounts to mass rejection. I just don't believe in love anymore. Sorry. I'm worn out from pursuing something I will never accomplish or don't even need to.

And for the record, I have not once in my life been in any kind of relationship. Because I just can't do it.I hear ya. I myself get really sick of not being good enough. :bored:

[shesarebel]

You don't pursue love, love just happens.

You should read the Kruetzer Sonata by Leo Tolstoy, it has a message very similar to what you said in your post.

[Agnapostate]

I notice nobody's commented on my idea. :(

[Anduwaithe]

Julian: We're ignoring it like the guy on the bus who eats his own face.

[BattlePenisofGalen]

And from a slightly different perspective...


Most people seek happiness in life. And for quite a few people, love brings happiness. Yeah, love is just an emotion brought on by a biochemical reaction. But the emotions themselves are wonderful, to say the least. It's really indescribable. Of course, love often dies, hard, but that's just part of the experience. Also, stop looking for love, you tend to get screwed over that way.

[SciVille]

I agree with that. I've never looked for it (despite what SOME people keep trying to get me to do!) yet it still manages to be annoying.

[BattlePenisofGalen]

Occasionally you get fucked over. Part of life. But love is one of the world's best drugs.

[SciVille]

I know. It's still annoying. :bored:

[BattlePenisofGalen]

LOL. Just do what I do. Go to fantasyland.

[SciVille]

Mmmm, fantasyland. So full of hope yet so empty but passes the time.

[BattlePenisofGalen]

Also, remember, there IS somebody out there for everyone. Maybe not that whole "soulmate" concept. But there are people who will naturally fit together. I mean, shit, I'm looking for a girl somewhat like this:

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj316/FightforRight/idealgirl.jpg

In short, the type of person most would consider "horrible". Trust me, I'm sure there's somebody out there looking for an intelligent biologist who is a bit crazy on the side.

[Ralph]

http://www.yatpundit.com/random_pics/pedobear_seal.jpg

[BattlePenisofGalen]

LOL. Wiseass. Try again. But fuck, anyone who can pull that off is win with me.

[Ralph]

Mmm? Pull what off? :scared:

[BattlePenisofGalen]

lol. The whole crazy yet awesome girl thing.

[Anduwaithe]

Amputee cat-ladies are crazy yet awesome?

[BattlePenisofGalen]

Yuss. Though it should be noted that my taste in women is what most would consider FUBAR.

[Adamantaimai]

Eddy :b:

I can't help but notice that her shorts say "ANAL" on them.

[Agnapostate]

Is that cat in the far right smoking some kind of kitty bong?

[BattlePenisofGalen]

The one punching the plushie? Nah.

[Juna Usonano]

Looks like you could screw her leg.

[Anduwaithe]

*vomits into mouth a little*

[Agnapostate]

Just a little?

[Got Liberty?]

Katrina, MiNi: Stop whining. Just give it another chance. 'm pretty sure that everyone's had more failures than successes.

[Anduwaithe]

Just a little?
Good point.

[Got Liberty?]

Me or Julian?

[Ralph]

Julian was the one who was quoted. :p

[Got Liberty?]

He edited it. :nah:

Really, you think I wouldn't notice the quote bar? This makes me sad. :(

[Ralph]

Sorry :lol:

[Agnapostate]

It's not so much a thought as it is an ironclad certainty. ;)

[Adamantaimai]

Actually, ynam's right. It does kinda look like it.

[Agnapostate]

I'm not surprised that you'd notice that.

[Adamantaimai]

I didn't notice it. Ynam noticed it; I simply concur.