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Adamantaimai
July 2nd, 2007, 01:32 AM
A couple of hours ago I saw the article posted in the News Wire about curfew enforcement in South Bend, IN. Normally I just bitch about things like this and don't do anything about it. But since it's so close to where I live, it struck a nerve, and I decided to write a letter to the South Bend Tribune about it. Their maximum word count for letters to the editor is 200 words. I initially intended to write a relatively short letter strictly about the curfew, but as I was writing it evolved into a longer essay about youth rights, although still principally about the curfew. I hope they'll publish it as a guest column, but since I live some distance away, in Lafayette, I'm not sure they will.

I've already submitted it to the South Bend Tribune, but I thought I'd share it with you as well. What do you think? Is it good? Did I cover everything that I should have, or are there other things that I should have said? Did I go on too long, or make my point too strongly? This is the first essay of this kind that I've written. Like I said I've already submitted it, but I might also submit it to another newspaper (maybe the Lafayette paper), so any editorial advice would be appreciated. And, as I'm sure you can tell, I borrowed a few of my points from Epstein. :D

Also, I'm not entirely certain that this is the forum that this belongs in, but I posted it here because, from what I've heard anyway, this forum isn't accessible to the public.



Minorities in the United States have a long history of standing up for their rights. In the past century, blacks (and other racial minorities), women, and gays have all succeeded in largely eliminating state-sponsored or state-mandated discrimination against them. State-sponsored public segregation is a thing of the past, and the flawed “separate but equal” legacy of discrimination has been largely eradicated. Women now have the right to vote, directly influencing and wielding power over the very governments, federal, state, and local, that they live under and the laws of which they must obey. Anti-sodomy laws, and other forms of discrimination against gays, have been repealed or struck down by courts in recent years, and sexual orientation has been added to numerous state and local equal protection laws. The state of New Jersey, much to its credit, even recently passed a law prohibiting discrimination against transgender individuals, becoming the ninth state to do so. However, one basis for discrimination, including state-sponsored and state-enforced discrimination, remains completely legal in the U.S.: age.

We’ve made strides here in America over the past years towards eliminating discrimination against the elderly. However, state-sponsored discrimination against the young is, sadly, still rampant in the United States today. People who have not yet reached their eighteenth birthday cannot vote; they are prohibited from exercising power over their government, even though they are required to pay sales and income tax. I believe that’s called “taxation without representation.” Our young people, even legal adults, younger than age 21, cannot legally purchase or consume alcohol, no matter how responsible they may be. Well over 500 young American servicemembers under the age of 21 have died in Iraq since 2003. These young people are mature and responsible enough to fight on the front lines, to handle automatic weapons, to drive military vehicles in a war zone, and to lead their fellow soldiers and Marines into battle. They’re expected to remain cool under fire, and to make tactically and strategically sound decisions while being shot at, and while their comrades are being blown up around them. But upon their return home, they are considered too childish, immature, and irresponsible to handle a beer. This is hypocrisy taken to an extreme.

Yet another form of state-sponsored discrimination against our young people, never before seen until recent years, is spreading like wildfire through cities and towns across the country: curfews. I’m not talking about parents setting curfews for their teenage sons and daughters. I’m talking about government laws which prohibit those under a certain age (typically 18, but in some cases 19) from being out of doors at night. Proponents of curfew laws, like the one in South Bend, typically employ two arguments in favor of such laws, both of which can be easily debunked.

First, curfew supporters argue that teenagers are more likely to commit crimes at night than during the day, and that minor teenagers are more likely to commit crimes than adults. They argue that government needs to protect “law-abiding citizens” from “delinquent juveniles.” Both of these assertions, however, are either untrue or irrelevant. Scientific studies and analyses have consistently shown that most crime committed by teenagers occurs in late afternoon or early evening, or in other words, within a few hours of school letting out. Furthermore, I have never seen convincing evidence that minors are more likely to commit crimes than adults are. Most criminals, and most violent criminals, are adults. If, however, minor teenagers are indeed statistically more likely to commit crimes than adults, that still doesn’t justify a government curfew against them. Curfews that apply to only one class of citizens are inherently discriminatory. Black people are statistically more likely than white people to commit crimes. Should we enforce a government curfew against blacks? Men are statistically much more likely to commit crimes, especially violent crimes, than women. According to the logic that curfew proponents use, shouldn’t we keep men indoors at night by passing a curfew against them? Such discriminatory laws cannot be justified in modern America, and laws discriminating against young people are no exception.

Second, proponents of government-mandated curfews for young people argue that teenagers need to be “protected” from themselves. The core of this argument is essentially that teenagers, even sixteen- and seventeen-year-olds, are mere children, lacking the maturity and reasoning ability to make their own decisions. However, when placed in a historical context, and when examined in light of scientific evidence, this idea simply rings false. Throughout most of human history, humans have joined adult society in the early teen years, shortly after puberty, to no ill effect. In most of the non-industrialized world, this is still the case today. Young people are integrated into adult society early, and they suffer no negative effects as a result. These adults, at thirteen or fourteen years of age, are truly adults in every sense of the word. They are trusted to protect themselves and make their own decisions, and they do so quite competently. It is only in the industrialized world, and only in the past couple of centuries, that this has changed. We have come to the mistaken belief that teenagers are immature and incompetent like children, and we infantilize them to such an extent that they have no meaningful control over their lives. It’s no wonder that they have problems. Furthermore, several comprehensive scientific studies have concluded, quite convincingly, that indicators of cognitive ability, such as raw intelligence scores, indicators of reasoning capacity, memory capacity and reaction time, peak during the teenage years. These attributes are largely in decline beginning in our twenties, and remain in decline throughout our lives. For humans, the peak of cognitive functioning is during the teen years. I am convinced that if we stop treating our young people like children, give them at least some measure of meaningful control over their lives, and trust them to make their own decisions competently, there will be no need to “protect” them. They will learn to protect themselves.

Over the past 150 years, we have created entirely new categories of crime just for minors. “Truancy,” “incorrigibility,” underage drinking, purchasing tobacco products, and “delinquency of a minor” come to mind. With the relatively new addition of curfew laws, we’ve added yet another category of crime that is unique to minors: violating curfew. Not only are such laws blatantly unfair and discriminatory, they’re also unconstitutional. Curfew laws violate the right of minors to freedom of assembly, which is guaranteed by the United States Constitution. How can such discriminatory and unconstitutional measures become law in modern America? How can we completely ignore the constitutional and civil rights of young people, to whom those rights necessarily apply in equal measure as to adults? As American citizens, it is our duty to stand up for the rights of a segment of our population, young people, whose rights are being infringed upon. It is our duty as Americans to work against ageist, blatantly discriminatory, and unconstitutional laws such as government-mandated curfews. We’ve made extraordinary advances towards civil rights for blacks, women, gays, and other minorities in America since its founding. The fight for civil rights for all can’t stop there.

The G-Man
July 2nd, 2007, 02:07 AM
excellent work, i'm hoping they'll publish it.

if you write another one, you should probably mention gulag schools though.

Adamantaimai
July 2nd, 2007, 04:46 AM
True, gulag schools probably at least deserve a mention. I wanted it to be primarily about the curfew (because it was in response to the curfew article), but I mentioned the voting and drinking ages. If I'd talked about gulag schools that probably would have been 300-500 words.

MiNi
July 2nd, 2007, 08:58 AM
Forum & Community is the only forum inaccessible to the public.

Socrates
July 2nd, 2007, 02:48 PM
My critique:

My notes will be in red.



Minorities in the United States have a long history of standing up for their rights. In the past century, blacks (and other racial minorities), women, and gays have all succeeded in largely eliminating state-sponsored or state-mandated discrimination against them. State-sponsored public segregation is a thing of the past, and the flawed “separate but equal” legacy of discrimination has been largely eradicated. Women now have the right to vote, directly influencing and wielding power over the very governments, federal, state, and local, that they live under and the laws of which they must obey. Anti-sodomy laws, and other forms of discrimination against gays, have been repealed or struck down by courts in recent years, and sexual orientation has been added to numerous state and local equal protection laws. The state of New Jersey, much to its credit, even recently passed a law prohibiting discrimination against transgender individuals, becoming the ninth state to do so. However, one basis for discrimination, including state-sponsored and state-enforced discrimination, remains completely legal in the U.S.: age.

Introduction should be shorter. Way too much information that everyone already knows.

We’ve made strides here in America over the past years towards eliminating discrimination against the elderly. Example please of this please. However, state-sponsored discrimination against the young is, sadly, still rampant in the United States today. People who have not yet reached their eighteenth birthday cannot vote; they are prohibited from exercising power over their government, even though they are required to pay sales and income tax. I believe that’s called “taxation without representation.” Our young people, even legal adults, younger than age 21, cannot legally purchase or consume alcohol, no matter how responsible they may be. Well over 500 young American servicemembers under the age of 21 have died in Iraq since 2003. These young people are mature and responsible enough to fight on the front lines, to handle automatic weapons, to drive military vehicles in a war zone, and to lead their fellow soldiers and Marines into battle. They’re expected to remain cool under fire, and to make tactically and strategically sound decisions while being shot at, and while their comrades are being blown up around them. But upon their return home, they are considered too childish, immature, and irresponsible to handle a beer. This is hypocrisy taken to an extreme.

Yet another form of state-sponsored discrimination against our young people, never before seen until recent years, is spreading like wildfire through cities and towns across the country: curfews. I’m not talking about parents setting curfews for their teenage sons and daughters. I’m talking about government laws which prohibit those under a certain age (typically 18, but in some cases 19) from being out of doors at night. Proponents of curfew laws, like the one in South Bend, typically employ two arguments in favor of such laws, both of which can be easily debunked. I like this paragraph

First, curfew supporters argue that teenagers are more likely to commit crimes at night than during the day, and that minor teenagers are more likely to commit crimes than adults. They argue that government needs to protect “law-abiding citizens” from “delinquent juveniles.” Both of these assertions, however, are either untrue or irrelevant. Scientific studies and analyses have consistently shown that most crime committed by teenagers occurs in late afternoon or early evening, or in other words, within a few hours of school letting out. You need to cite a source for this scientific study. Furthermore, I have never seen convincing evidence that minors are more likely to commit crimes than adults are. Most criminals, and most violent criminals, are adults. If, however, minor teenagers are indeed statistically more likely to commit crimes than adults, that still doesn’t justify a government curfew against them. Previous sentence was unecessary. It also seems to suggest that teens are infact more likely to commit crime. Curfews that apply to only one class of citizens are inherently discriminatory. Black people are statistically more likely than white people to commit crimes. Uh, is this really true? Even if you can prove it, I woulden't say something as controversial as this. Should we enforce a government curfew against blacks? Men are statistically much more likely to commit crimes, especially violent crimes, than women. According to the logic that curfew proponents use, shouldn’t we keep men indoors at night by passing a curfew against them? Such discriminatory laws cannot be justified in modern America, and laws discriminating against young people are no exception.

Second, proponents of government-mandated curfews for young people argue that teenagers need to be “protected” from themselves. The core of this argument is essentially that teenagers, even sixteen- and seventeen-year-olds, are mere children, lacking the maturity and reasoning ability to make their own decisions. However, when placed in a historical context, and when examined in light of scientific evidence, this idea simply rings false. Throughout most of human history, humans have joined adult society in the early teen years, shortly after puberty, to no ill effect. In most of the non-industrialized world, this is still the case today. Young people are integrated into adult society early, and they suffer no negative effects as a result. These adults, at thirteen or fourteen years of age, are truly adults in every sense of the word. They are trusted to protect themselves and make their own decisions, and they do so quite competently. It is only in the industrialized world, and only in the past couple of centuries, that this has changed. We have come to the mistaken belief that teenagers are immature and incompetent like children, and we infantilize them to such an extent that they have no meaningful control over their lives. It’s no wonder that they have problems. Furthermore, several comprehensive scientific studies have concluded, quite convincingly, that indicators of cognitive ability, such as raw intelligence scores, indicators of reasoning capacity, memory capacity and reaction time, peak during the teenage years. Again, cite this study. These attributes are largely in decline beginning in our twenties, and remain in decline throughout our lives. For humans, the peak of cognitive functioning is during the teen years. I am convinced that if we stop treating our young people like children, give them at least some measure of meaningful control over their lives, and trust them to make their own decisions competently, there will be no need to “protect” them. They will learn to protect themselves. Overall, I think this brain stuff is unconvincing and should not be mentioned.

Over the past 150 years, we have created entirely new categories of crime just for minors. “Truancy,” “incorrigibility,” underage drinking, purchasing tobacco products, and “delinquency of a minor” come to mind. With the relatively new addition of curfew laws, we’ve added yet another category of crime that is unique to minors: violating curfew. Not only are such laws blatantly unfair and discriminatory, they’re also unconstitutional. Curfew laws violate the right of minors to freedom of assembly, which is guaranteed by the United States Constitution. How can such discriminatory and unconstitutional measures become law in modern America? How can we completely ignore the constitutional and civil rights of young people, to whom those rights necessarily apply in equal measure as to adults? As American citizens, it is our duty to stand up for the rights of a segment of our population, young people, whose rights are being infringed upon. It is our duty as Americans to work against ageist, blatantly discriminatory, and unconstitutional laws such as government-mandated curfews. We’ve made extraordinary advances towards civil rights for blacks, women, gays, and other minorities in America since its founding. The fight for civil rights for all can’t stop there.



This is a very good essay, but it feels more like one of the essays that are on NYRA's front page. Too long, especially for the majority of the public who is not YR consious. I think it will have a better chance of getting published if it is much shorter.

Thanks for writing this. Overall, it is excellent. :b: If you plan to submit it to another paper, perhaps you could post your draft on these forums first and let the community review it.

SciVille
July 2nd, 2007, 08:27 PM
Wow, that is waaaay over 200. Good but a lot of extraneous information. These things need to be more to the point. Other than that, nice job.

Adamantaimai
July 2nd, 2007, 09:35 PM
Thanks for the suggestions. I've revised it somewhat. Here's the new version:



Minorities in the United States have a long history of standing up for their rights. In the past century, blacks (and other racial minorities), women, and gays have all succeeded in largely eliminating state-sponsored or state-mandated discrimination against them. State-sponsored public segregation is a thing of the past, and the flawed “separate but equal” legacy of discrimination has been largely eradicated. Women now have the right to vote, directly influencing and wielding power over the very governments, federal, state, and local, that they live under and the laws of which they must obey. Anti-sodomy laws, and other forms of discrimination against gays, have been repealed or struck down by courts in recent years, and sexual orientation has been added to numerous state and local equal protection laws. The state of New Jersey, much to its credit, even recently passed a law prohibiting discrimination against transgender individuals, becoming the ninth state to do so. However, one basis for discrimination, including state-sponsored and state-enforced discrimination, remains completely legal in the U.S.: age.

Unfortunately, state-sponsored discrimination against the young is still rampant in the United States today. People who have not yet reached their eighteenth birthday cannot vote; they are prohibited from exercising power over their government, even though they are required to pay sales and income tax. I believe that’s called “taxation without representation.” Our young people, even legal adults, younger than age 21, cannot legally purchase or consume alcohol, no matter how responsible they may be. Well over 500 young American servicemembers under the age of 21 have died in Iraq since 2003. These young people are mature and responsible enough to fight on the front lines, to handle automatic weapons, to drive military vehicles in a war zone, and to lead their fellow soldiers and Marines into battle. They’re expected to remain cool under fire, and to make tactically and strategically sound decisions while being shot at, and while their comrades are being blown up around them. But upon their return home, they are considered too childish, immature, and irresponsible to handle a beer. This is hypocrisy taken to an extreme.

Yet another form of state-sponsored discrimination against our young people, never before seen until recent years, is spreading like wildfire through cities and towns across the country: curfews. I’m not talking about parents setting curfews for their teenage sons and daughters. I’m talking about government laws which prohibit those under a certain age (typically 18, but in some cases 19) from being out of doors at night. Proponents of curfew laws, like the one in South Bend, typically employ two arguments in favor of such laws, both of which can be easily debunked.

First, curfew supporters argue that minor teenagers are more likely to commit crimes than adults. They argue that government needs to protect “law-abiding citizens” from “delinquent juveniles.” However, I have never seen convincing evidence that minors are more likely to commit crimes than adults are. Most criminals, and most violent criminals, are adults. Curfews that apply to only one class of citizens are inherently discriminatory. The perception that young people are out-of-control, violence-prone juvenile delinquents is an unwarranted stereotype, much like the perception that black people are violent thugs. Should we enforce a government curfew against blacks? Men are statistically much more likely to commit crimes, especially violent crimes, than women. According to the logic that curfew proponents use, shouldn’t we keep men indoors at night by passing a curfew against them? Such discriminatory laws cannot be justified in modern America, and laws discriminating against young people are no exception.

Second, proponents of government-mandated curfews for young people argue that teenagers need to be “protected” from themselves. The core of this argument is essentially that teenagers, even sixteen- and seventeen-year-olds, are mere children, lacking the maturity and reasoning ability to make their own decisions. However, when placed in a historical context, and when examined in light of scientific evidence, this idea simply rings false. Throughout most of human history, humans have joined adult society in the early teen years, shortly after puberty, to no ill effect. In most of the non-industrialized world, this is still the case today. Young people are integrated into adult society early, and they suffer no negative effects as a result. These adults, at thirteen or fourteen years of age, are truly adults in every sense of the word. They are trusted to protect themselves and make their own decisions, and they do so quite competently. It is only in the industrialized world, and only in the past couple of centuries, that this has changed. We have come to the mistaken belief that teenagers are immature and incompetent like children, and we infantilize them to such an extent that they have no meaningful control over their lives. It’s no wonder that they have problems. I am convinced that if we stop treating our young people like children, give them at least some measure of meaningful control over their lives, and trust them to make their own decisions competently, there will be no need to “protect” them. They will learn to protect themselves.

Over the past 150 years, we have created entirely new categories of crime just for minors. “Truancy,” “incorrigibility,” underage drinking, purchasing tobacco products, and “delinquency of a minor” come to mind. With the relatively new addition of curfew laws, we’ve added yet another category of crime that is unique to minors: violating curfew. Not only are such laws blatantly unfair and discriminatory, they’re also unconstitutional. Curfew laws violate the right of minors to freedom of assembly, which is guaranteed by the United States Constitution. How can such discriminatory and unconstitutional measures become law in modern America? How can we completely ignore the constitutional and civil rights of young people, to whom those rights necessarily apply in equal measure as to adults? As American citizens, it is our duty to stand up for the rights of a segment of our population, young people, whose rights are being infringed upon. It is our duty as Americans to work against ageist, blatantly discriminatory, and unconstitutional laws such as government-mandated curfews. We’ve made extraordinary advances towards civil rights for blacks, women, gays, and other minorities in America since its founding. The fight for civil rights for all can’t stop there.


I didn't shorten the introduction. I might do that later. I got rid of the sentence about discrimination against the elderly though. I'm not sure if it's needed.

For now, I got rid of the part about teenagers being more likely to commit crime during the afternoon than at night, and the part of the first sentence of that paragraph about crimes at night. I don't think it's really necessary, but if I find the study (I read about it some time ago) that shows that, I might put it back in and cite it. Also got rid of the sentence that implied that young people might be more likely to commit crimes than adults, and reworded the part about black people to make clear that it's an unwarranted stereotype.

I didn't really want to cite the studies about the brain stuff, because they were done in the early 20th century. People would think that's so old, surely it's out of date and not true. I got rid of the brain stuff for now, but I'm worried that that paragraph is a little "empty" now, that people could just easily dismiss what I'm saying out of hand as ridiculous.

It's still over 1000 words though. :lol:

Adamantaimai
July 2nd, 2007, 09:36 PM
Forum & Community is the only forum inaccessible to the public.

That's why I posted it in Forum & Community. It was moved here because my suspicion that it didn't belong there was correct.

MiNi
July 2nd, 2007, 11:37 PM
It's a good paragraph. I'm so sick of these lawmakers who give in to the "fractious teenagers" argument and pass curfew laws to make it look like they're doing their job correctly.